1956 MORRIS ISIS

[swindy]

Here's the 1956 MORRIS ISIS, got to sort out temp and abit of mapping and couple of other things will be out soon

[Lee]

awesome mate yet another epic car....

[spike100]

yh lovely piece of tin

 

is the fin gonna be kept like that or normal one fitted

[Ryano]

I'm now going to nit pick.....

 

Why is the rear right corner all shiny and doesnt look like its part of the car that its on? and have look to have 273 on it in a shiny way....

Roof and pillar place are a wee different in colours.

Whats that blue bit on the front with holes in?

You spelt front incorrectly

And the doorplate doesnt look secure lol

 

BUT who am i to critisise models people make....just making some constructive points and not trying to cause an argument, maybe the first point i made needs a bit of looking into but the rest was really nitpicking.

 

From first impressions it looks good....just do all the bits in the car file correctly and make it jack.....then i be impressed...the fin is impressive on its own by the way.

 

Just my views and attempted constructive critisism

Edited June 28, 2007 by Ryano

[nocturnalpulse]

Awesome!! Keep up the good work mate!

 

I can only recall one thats raced?

http://www.tim-catley.co.uk/Mildo2/photo20.html

"the blue bit with holes" is how the chassis looked when stripped,see pic

 

The fin plate looks great btw

Is it possible to have a model with a standard fin plate as well,so ppl wouldnt have to use the steve hemmings type one all the time?

[mcrew]

Swindy do you have a daytime job, or do you just make models all day long?

How on earth do you manage to keep turning them out so quickly?

 

As usual, great work!

[jamesy]

i love that roof plate nice looking model m8

[zarky191]

brill m8 as per usual love da fin plate cant wait to drive it

[invader]

wd swindy epic fin hope it stays

Edited June 28, 2007 by invader

[Haadee#525]

[reg126]

You can save lots of time by modelling below the standards expected in uk dirt approved cars. That way the hardest and most time consuming part of modelling is missed out. Ok for the free leagues but means a lots less skill is also needed.

A quick test to see if a car is of the better quality type is to use swaffhamR or swaffham8 and crash hard in the car you want to check out. In the replay (dont wind back or you will lose damage)...use tv mode and on the bend when the camera position is on the outside of the track observe the cars as they round the bend. As the cars reach about three quarters of the way round the bend PACECAR4 files kick in. The cars made to the higher standards should retain their damage and not have parts dissappear (apart from the insides). The poorer quality cars will revert back to undamaged state until the camera position following the car changes.. Some will even have external parts go missing.

All models take a lot of work and are appreciated...but please bear in mind that some are built to the higher standards and take much more work and skill to produce than the lower quality types.

[erik]

Nice model Swindy

 

As for the fin plate....

Edited June 29, 2007 by erik

[theboss]

You can save lots of time by modelling below the standards expected in uk dirt approved cars. That way the hardest and most time consuming part of modelling is missed out. Ok for the free leagues but means a lots less skill is also needed.

A quick test to see if a car is of the better quality type is to use swaffhamR or swaffham8 and crash hard in the car you want to check out. In the replay (dont wind back or you will lose damage)...use tv mode and on the bend when the camera position is on the outside of the track observe the cars as they round the bend. As the cars reach about three quarters of the way round the bend PACECAR4 files kick in. The cars made to the higher standards should retain their damage and not have parts dissappear (apart from the insides). The poorer quality cars will revert back to undamaged state until the camera position following the car changes.. Some will even have external parts go missing.

All models take a lot of work and are appreciated...but please bear in mind that some are built to the higher standards and take much more work and skill to produce than the lower quality types.

 

Now say what you really think Reg

 

Fin plate is awesome BUT do we really want a whole field of cars with the axe fin plate

 

Other than that, great model Swindy

 

[reg126]

Basically Boss.. ; if Pacecar4 files are not made correctly..there are observable situations in the game when this will be revealed ...as referred to in the swaffham tests. Therefore the cars without proper files will look stupid either due to reverting to an undamaged state or have parts dissappearing..again looking stupid. Using the main files for pacecar4 is also unacceptable for online use as they have higher poly counts and may cause warp.

The way I make Pacecar 4 files means all the 17 components of the main pacecar (1.2 and 3) file have to have the poly count reduced substantially while retaining the same basic appearance including the damage. From doing the swaffham test ..you can get an idea of detail that needs to be retained. This in itself is a time consuming and not very easy task. Once all the poly counts have been reduced to an acceptable lower level..which may mean some adjustments to component joints (which may mean careful re-alignment) then some re mapping will be needed. This is a much more major task . When a model is first built it is mapped before being divided into 5 parts...main-front-rear-left-right. . After reducing the 17 components to lower poly counts each part will need to be remapped individually.....ooh lots more work.. In addition ..though bearing in mind the car is far more in the distance,, the paintscheme for each part needs to line up with other adjoining parts. To make it even more fun...if thats not enough...the damaged parts mean the map will need to be adjusted to fit the template in an appropriate way .

 

I have only recorded a few results of my observations from swaffham tests...mainly on more recently released cars..most cars have not been checked ..

PASSED(damage retained and no dissappearing parts)........ROVER P5BC (coupe), vx490,mk10 jaguar.

 

PARTS GO MISSING(invisible bits)....A35,A60E,sierra estate.

 

REVERTS TO UNDAMAGED STATE....Nomad,saab,Monach,Volvo264,Hunter,mk3cavalier,Lincoln Limo,Crown hearse,mondeo,fx4taxi,peugeot 404,P5B,fury hearse, Buick limo.

 

 

When so much work goes into building a model..its a shame really that the extra work is often missed out or done wrongly thus spoiling what otherwise could be a good model.

[jamesy]

blinking ek reg u lost me,i just started modeliing well trying lol but i think i might leave it to the experts lol

[swindy]

blinking ek reg u lost me,i just started modeliing well trying lol but i think i might leave it to the experts lol

 

Reg i think you will find many of the cars and tracks that are use in the (ukdirt league) have faults with them, and people and still like them and are not to bothered and are still enjoyed them online

 

I still can see you feel the need to put up negative points about my models when i sent you a pm i clearly pointed out six Major faults of your own 1st model you made.

 

As for damage disappearing in the game its in the draw distance all cars do it ,i can see you have found that they disappear in TV view but i don't no of anyone who uses that view to race online so seem abit pointless to make a point about it

 

I don't mined anyone post what they thick of my models approving or disapproving after all that's why i post them up to get feedback before i release them.

 

But please reg get anew hobby instead for sitting at your pc for hours and hours investigating ukdirt mod think your time could be better spent making a quality standard model your self

 

To finish off the ten models I've made that are in the game that people seem happy with so think my models speak for them self's

 

Looking forward to your reply reg,and sitting here reading your extremely long post

 

Kind Regards

 

Swindy

Edited June 29, 2007 by swindy

[The London Allstar]

What would you rather have, a car that looses damage from a distance and looks fepic up close, or a car that keeps its damage but doesent look as good.

 

Tbh i prefere the first one, the reason i didnt keep the damage on PC4 is to save on poly's so the car closer up had more detail. Swings and roundabouts?

[Nick M48]

10 out of 10 for trying Reg, I tried to help before and ended up getting abuse so I just keep quite (until now1! )

I know that sometimes it's hard to take citisism on something that you've put alot of time into, I've been there, but constructive critisism should be taken on board as it'll make things better in the future.

Having said all of that I think Swindy now knows that what I said before was only to try to help but I still keep quiet just in case

 

It's a shame the minor problems aren't fixed on some of the models as they'd be great addtions to the uk-dirt league. The models already in the league that have some of the problems mentioned were very early models, times and standards move on.

[reg126]

Gaming wise wether made professionally or by amateurs virtually every game I know of has some faults somewhere...and yes they are still enjoyable. All the tracks and cars in use have faults..though some have less than others. The poly limits restrict how much detail can be put into cars ..which in some ways may be a good thing as the huge amount of polys in say x box 360 games may give fantasic graphics it means the programmers have to do a lot more work to produce them and for say cars ..it means they have a lot longer development time.

When checking out models...useful for modelling purposes..and testing them..then having a reference such as the swaffham tv view test is useful. It does correspond though to use in game whichever mode you use to view when driving. As cars go into or come out of distance it certainly is better that they are observed clearly and with an indication of status...ie visible and damage showing.

Good close up detail and retaining damage at observable distances by making pacecar 4 are not related. Both can be acheived as neither will really effect the other. Rounded complicated shapes apart from being harder to model well with low poly counts can still be reduced to acceptable poly levels for pacecar 4. Finer detail can be removed entirely as its not needed at distance. In effect there is no either or situation and many models demonstate good close detail AND show corresponding damage correctly at pacecar4 ranges.

Making pacecar 4 is a total pain compared to the rest of making a model and a dispropotionate amount of work for the relatively small but important part it plays in the game. If ppl dont want to make pacecar4 files in the approved way..thats up to them though obviously it will let their models down to what they potentailly could be.

Should I become aware of any real major faults in my models I will rectify them as I will with the few minor errors I am now aware of .

[Haadee#525]

same something in my opinion not hard to do but looks better,is in the jaguar xj6 damage layer you can see a space between hood and inside and door and roof pillar. If i saw that to my model when testing,i would fix it. That aint to hard,welding a few verts together. I know how many time it takes to make a proper model (mine takes a lot not even finished yet ) but its better to fix those little things.

[swindy]

((((You can save lots of time by modelling below the standards expected in uk dirt approved cars. That way the hardest and most time consuming part of modelling is missed out. Ok for the free leagues but means a lots less skill is also needed. )))))

A quick test to see if a car is of the better quality type is to use swaffhamR or swaffham8 and crash hard in the car you want to check out. In the replay (dont wind back or you will lose damage)...use tv mode and on the bend when the camera position is on the outside of the track observe the cars as they round the bend. As the cars reach about three quarters of the way round the bend PACECAR4 files kick in. The cars made to the higher standards should retain their damage and not have parts dissappear (apart from the insides). The poorer quality cars will revert back to undamaged state until the camera position following the car changes.. Some will even have external parts go missing.

All models take a lot of work and are appreciated...but please bear in mind that some are built to the higher standards and take much more work and skill to produce than the lower quality types.

 

 

Nick i don't take as criticism^^^i take that as a dig at my work form reg who as made all but 1 model and made mistakes on that ,

 

If you put post's on like that you got expect a negative reaction post back!

 

I put my car's on here for people to see and give there opinion eg: like people have remarked on the roof fin good (feedback)

 

But i just feel that modelers come on to tell me how to make them,i don't wish to no as all my models are fine great damage right in scale and look as reel as possible work fine in the game no warp etc....

 

I think reg i would be the last person ukdirt would ask to use my car's so that's why the are for free leagues

but in the same vain,i think imo maybe some of my models are better than what ukdirt is using now

 

[Ryano]

((((You can save lots of time by modelling below the standards expected in uk dirt approved cars. That way the hardest and most time consuming part of modelling is missed out. Ok for the free leagues but means a lots less skill is also needed. )))))

A quick test to see if a car is of the better quality type is to use swaffhamR or swaffham8 and crash hard in the car you want to check out. In the replay (dont wind back or you will lose damage)...use tv mode and on the bend when the camera position is on the outside of the track observe the cars as they round the bend. As the cars reach about three quarters of the way round the bend PACECAR4 files kick in. The cars made to the higher standards should retain their damage and not have parts dissappear (apart from the insides). The poorer quality cars will revert back to undamaged state until the camera position following the car changes.. Some will even have external parts go missing.

All models take a lot of work and are appreciated...but please bear in mind that some are built to the higher standards and take much more work and skill to produce than the lower quality types.

 

 

Nick i don't take as criticism^^^i take that as a dig at my work form reg who as made all but 1 model and made mistakes on that ,

 

If you put post's on like that you got expect a negative reaction post back!

 

I put my car's on here for people to see and give there opinion eg: like people have remarked on the roof fin good (feedback)

 

But i just feel that modelers come on to tell me how to make them,i don't wish to no as all my models are fine great damage right in scale and look as reel as possible work fine in the game no warp etc....

 

I think reg i would be the last person ukdirt would ask to use my car's so that's why the are for free leagues

but in the same vain,i think imo maybe some of my models are better than what ukdirt is using now

 

I'm going to just point out that you made about 5 models now and there are faults in all of them, of course there are going to be faults in your first model as no-one is perfect...whereas i havent made one so there are no faults in my models as i have no models to have faults in

[Nick M48]

Nick i don't take as criticism^^^i take that as a dig at my work form reg who as made all but 1 model and made mistakes on that ,

 

If you put post's on like that you got expect a negative reaction post back!

 

I put my car's on here for people to see and give there opinion eg: like people have remarked on the roof fin good (feedback)

 

But i just feel that modelers come on to tell me how to make them,i don't wish to no as all my models are fine great damage right in scale and look as reel as possible work fine in the game no warp etc....

 

I think reg i would be the last person ukdirt would ask to use my car's so that's why the are for free leagues

but in the same vain,i think imo maybe some of my models are better than what ukdirt is using now

 

I must admit I took reg's post to be trying to help, not having a dig but thats the unfortunate thing about forums, sometimes it's hard to tell.

 

For the finplate I give a big just a shame we haven't got the option of choosing between different finplates in game.

 

I'm disapointed that you have the attitude that your models are fine and that you don't want to be told how to improve them, Personally I can find fault with every single one of my models and each time I make a new car or track I try to improve it, I guess everyone is different.

 

I think uk-dirt would use your models if you fixed the small faults and changed the physics to be in line with the current classes but I get the feeling you don't really want uk-dirt to use them anyway, and yes some of the models used in the league have got faults but they were the early models as stated in my previous post, I think Freddy knocked most of them out in a fairly short period time.

 

Anyway, I've said enough

[reg126]

Having made models of various types for 40 years...I always try to make them better and improve on my previous efforts . This includes taking advice from many sources and considering it carefully. Models for uk dirt bangers are rather complex so have lots of room for errors in their constuction let alone errors in judgement in regards proportions and what looks right and works well and what does not. Constructive opinions should be welcomed and considered on their merits in regards to wether something is right or not. Errors in car models can sometimes take a long time to show up. For instance certain paint schemes may reveal something wrong in the construction that many other paint schemes that have been used may not reveal. That in itself is not a major issue..as paintschemes can often be adjusted to work around small errors and problems so they are less noticeable. Making perfect models is only a goal modellers should try and aim for but in reality if modellers give it their best shot then thats all that should reasonably be expected.

Hopefully my posts have been helpful and informative for both modellers and non modellers and that some people may have gained from them while others have posted views expressing different views and sometimes the reasons for holding those views.

[calum]

This is getting silly it's like essay city, swindy reg is only pointing it out what it means i don't know but i'd say it was constructive , swindy you get arsey whenever anyone comments on one of your'e models! Take it on board or jus ignore it but don't start arguing please

 

I'm sure after Swindy will make it he can say "don't race it if you don't want to" fair play to him. Just if it has major faults then it won't get used by anyone but i don't see what reg is saying as a major fault.

 

As for problems on the vx Reg made i don't see any i think it's a great first model

 

Anyway can you all just kiss and make up and stick to your'e own things and blitz eachother on the track

 

cheers thank you and good night

[COURTY 334]

Just curious if the steve hemmings fin plate interupts how the car rolls over? because i think it'll look a bit silly if the car is sitting perched on the axe lol..Looks good tho

[dangerous damo]

looks really good swindy. you really have got the knack of this modelling lark. to make that fin perfect you could try putting the point of the axe on the underside of the roof like psycho has but not that important lol. cheers, damo.

[AndyH 148]

Very interesting thread this one!!

 

Reg i think you will find many of the cars and tracks that are use in the (ukdirt league) have faults with them, and people and still like them and are not to bothered and are still enjoyed them online

 

Some may have the odd fault but I beleive that you can see ALL of them coming at you from a distance.

 

I have only recorded a few results of my observations from swaffham tests...mainly on more recently released cars..most cars have not been checked ..

PASSED(damage retained and no dissappearing parts)........ROVER P5BC (coupe), vx490,mk10 jaguar.

 

PARTS GO MISSING(invisible bits)....A35,A60E,sierra estate.

 

REVERTS TO UNDAMAGED STATE....Nomad,saab,Monach,Volvo264,Hunter,mk3cavalier,Lincoln Limo,Crown hearse,mondeo,fx4taxi,peugeot 404,P5B,fury hearse, Buick limo.

 

 

When so much work goes into building a model..its a shame really that the extra work is often missed out or done wrongly thus spoiling what otherwise could be a good model.

 

Well said Reg! I was part of the testing team that went through most of the new models prior to this season. A lot of the new models were rejected due to the lods(?) problem ie they are only a chassis and wheels riding round in the distance and only appear when you get close. This happens in a race as well as replay mode. The A60 estate was one of the worst for it. Other things that let the models down were too low/too small/too fast/too strong etc but the first thing that was checked was the ability to see it coming at you.

 

If you don't think it is a problem fair enough but the person using one of the chassis has a major advantage as they cant be seen on oppo until the last second and the same the other way round, someone waiting for them on oppo cant see them until the last second, especially at a dark track like Wimbledon, it is basically a set of wheels riding round the track! What's the good in that?! That's why several were rejected straight away and not used in UK Dirt. You may think that is being fussy but we dont.

 

 

 

I don't mined anyone post what they thick of my models approving or disapproving after all that's why i post them up to get feedback before i release them.

 

 

Really sounds like you dont mind when you jump down the throats of anyone that has some constructive criticism of your models.

 

Nick i don't take as criticism^^^i take that as a dig at my work form reg who as made all but 1 model and made mistakes on that ,

 

If you put post's on like that you got expect a negative reaction post back!

 

 

But i just feel that modelers come on to tell me how to make them,i don't wish to no as all my models are fine great damage right in scale and look as reel as possible work fine in the game no warp etc....

 

 

 

I think reg i would be the last person ukdirt would ask to use my car's so that's why the are for free leagues

but in the same vain,i think imo maybe some of my models are better than what ukdirt is using now

 

Not sure what you mean about you being the last person UK Dirt would use, yeah you have pissed off quite a few people in one way or another but I am sure it is just a few. From the way you talk you are anti UK Dirt so if your cars are for the free leagues why post them on here?!

 

The above are my own opinions so if you cop one then cop one with me and not UK Dirt, I thank you.

 

All I can see is people trying to help you make your models spot on but you aren't having any of it.

Cheers

 

Andy

Edited July 5, 2007 by AndyH 148

[Lakey508]

All I will say on this thread is this.

 

As head Banger admin I am all for using as many different types of chassis and class of car as possible.

 

If anybody has a car and would like to send me the car for testing to be included in Ukdirt Bangers we will look at it and test it. But it does have to be as AndyH says.

 

I dont care if King Kong, James Cagney, Tony Blair, Fern Cotton or Ginger Spice make the model, if it's good enuff it will go in.

 

Cheers

 

Lakey

[theboss]

CENSORED to eastenders, this is much better