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Anyone needing a link to the track it is HERE

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Enjoyed the meeting plenty of chat going on, actually felt like I drove better than I have all season but I just had one of those nights!! Roll on sheffield

This is a bit old now, and with slightly older physics but the principles still apply might be worth a watch!

rFactor set-up guide can be found HERE The F2 mod comes with a number of set-ups, have a look in your rFactor directory they should be in there

You claimed nobody was doing anything to help other people, I want to know what else you would like me to do to help people? Why you are entitled to your opinion as much as the next man! Point me to where I said there was nothing wrong with this, both me and counter pointed out that Kendo is not a UKDirt admin member and has no influence that's all. This thread was looking at ways to improve it, and hopefully still will!

Mainly because of the aformentioned attitude! People are voting with their feet and its sad to see it. After being part of ukdirt at its height and seeing it now its completly changed. You ask for help in praccy you get ignored or a smart arse answer, you give your opinion as yo why your not racing and your told your wrong! Ask anyone the number 1 reason why they gave up on UKDirt and they will say due to the elitism, seems there's not many who have the plumbs or intrest in saying it. And its no use you boys saying a collective "oh no there isnt" bucause you are on the wrong side of the fence to see it! I have written a detailed set-up guide(it does need updating as 1 or 2 points are not 100% accurate), offered to do free set-up and help sessions, and provided F2 set-ups(The F1 defaults are mine as well) what else do you want me to do Pete? As for what happened with the saloons, nobody knows what happened and those who were not involved can't really comment. So would that be enough to get you out racing? I really don't understand this comment Pete, would you care to elaborate? Kendo may be a long time respected member, but holds no admin position in UKDirt and has no say on things? I ask because I really hope we can get this thread back on track as it has some very valid points from everyone who has commented.

You can set the amount of time after a warm-up session has finished before it goes it goes to a race(nobody can enter the track), I wonder if having say a 3 minute warm-up session before a race and if it then takes longer than that before we switch to race there is no more practice. Could be a good way of getting people to chat rather than lap.

Now I feel like I am picking on you Mav ans I am not honest, but a couple of quick points. 2.) A Blues and red series was started last week, if these were called premier league, championship and Div 1(Oh the days when it was Div 1 to 4) I could see your point but everyone is catered for and gets an extra race. 3.) Instead of banning it why not embrace it and have an open UKDirt team speak, then even people who don't have a mic can listen in and it may disperse some of the conspiracy theories. 5.) I did write a guide, it was on the old site not sure what has happened to it.

Of all the suggestions I feel that this seems the most workable, and with the right sort of promotion could well introduce some new blood to the F1 mod. As Southy points out, 2 people are waiting in the wings however want to test the mod out first without committing money. An open session with admin & regulars alike on hand to use chat to offer setup advice & technical help could pay dividends. Over to you admin Set-up nights with the current drivers giving out set-up and driving tips could also help maybe?

Stokie has asked we give feedback on the track, as I think this is one of the first meetings to be run there and possibly even the first F2 meeting. As I said in the other thread I thought is provided some cracking racing. I did notice at least 1 possibly two bugs. When running late in the day(not night but evening) there are some funny shadows cast in T1, also I think there might be a texture gap between the kerb and infield on T3 but I am not sure on this one. The only things I would suggest need improving are, resistance added to the grip(Check the old Barford or Taunton with the new to see what difference it can make) and maybe round the top of the kerbs just slightly but that's just a personal thing.

Hey mate, you beat me to it I will put a thread up for track feedback and I can make the replays available to you.

Some good points there Mav, especially about the lack of opportunity for banter compared to the past, its defiantly something we need to look at recreating. I do have some issues with some of the things you say though, I know in your opinion I fall in to the "Elitist" category you refer to and that's fine but lets put the shoe on the other foot for a moment. I only did a couple of meetings in heat, where except for some good help from Welly I struggled with everything you are describing. I got accused of fencing a red grade driver in the 1 F1 meeting I did, and him threatening he would just fence me whenever I raced in future, when infact I bounced of the kerb trying to give him room and get out of the way. In the first F2 meeting I took a lot of stick from drivers moaning I was to low graded, most of it with them talking about me like I was not there after I had sent a PM to the admin before I raced letting them know I had won championships elsewhere all be it in rFactor. Then when I started racing ftooz full time on rFactor, I had established drivers saying things about me and interpreting things in ways they were never meant and to be honest it felt quite a bit like bullying to me. My point here is not that UKDirt is bad or even an unfriendly place I love racing here(A number of people I have met through here will be at my wedding next month), but a lot of what goes on is interpretation and believe me I have raced in a wide variety of leagues (Most of which don't have the intentional contact aspect to deal with) all the way up to the evil of iRacing(I was in a practice session with ALBZ the other day, a name from the past) and at most places it is a lot worse than here and actually I think we have moved on a lot since those heat days(maybe because I am now at the other end of the grid?) and there is a lot more help to be had, I know UKDirt admin members who regularly connect to other peoples PCs to help them with problems or to initially get going and I did suggest above that we expand on this idea to help people. Most "Elitist" drivers want to see large grids, and especially in tooz most agree its about to many cars on a small track(Tom has won 4 finals this year, only in one of them was he the fastest car, but he has been head and shoulders better than anyone else in traffic) and that in a number of races you are going to be held up by some of the carnage in front of you its part of the racing. 99% of the complaints the "Elitist" drivers generally moan about is when a car is spun and they just pull straight back in to traffic, there is no excuse for this in rFactor and it can ruin 50% of the fields race with the ensuing pile up. With the virtual mirrors and look left and right buttons, and its something we really need to come up with a way of educating people about. Point 5 is an interesting one, but look at it from an "Elitist" drivers point of view. If I catch you I don't expect you to move over, and I won't fence you, what I will do is try to nudge you just hard enough to run up the inside and loose us both the minimum amount of time. Now going in to the next turn if you decide you want to have a go back that's fine and part of racing, but the next opportunity I get where I can make sure I can move you and you won't get back at me I will take, be it a parked car, traffic or just a big hit. Now with me I am generally quite placid and you get a few chances, however if you use all your chances up then you will get the latter treatment each time I catch you until you prove otherwise. For some drivers that's what racing is all about, and what they enjoy and I respect(applaud it to a certain extent) that but I will be trying to make sure they hold me up as little as possible. Also if you are a lap down, and you start having a go(I remember Aub being spun out from the lead last year from a certain lap down car) then you use your chances up much quicker. We are looking at introducing a mod easier to drive than what we currently have as I agree they can take a reasonable amount of practice for some people to be up to speed, hopefully some more news on that soon. Finally, if you take a look at the F2 numbers between Sim-Stox and here there were probably over 70 regular drivers at the start of the year and this has now evened out to between 50 and 60, its just they are spread over two promotions not 1 I really wish everyone could get on and we could have multi promotion season with the drivers having more people at there speed to race, as they do in real life but it appears that the people that matter really don't want this to happen .

On a track where I felt like I struggled all night with set-up(I was either tight or loose no middle ground), I thought in general the racing picked up where wwe left of last week and was excellent WD Tom on yet another final win, flying at the moment

I don't know that anti-virus but I scanned it and picked nothing up sounds like a false positive

What virus checker are you using?

There are a number of reasons registered members don't race, for instance I always look at the results on a Friday morning as I have a number of mates that race but I physically don't have the time to race ftooz, work on mods, and keep the missus happy. Five simple things I can think of that could raise participation, and at least the first three would take no more than a little organisation. 1.) Counter posted on the ftooz forum that there are not practice nights like there used to be. We could have practice sessions on say a Sunday evening tooz from 7:30 to 9 and 1s from 9 onwards, remove the password from the server and get new drivers interacting with UKDirt, and getting practice without having to be plunged straight in to a meeting(No reason towards the end of the session some races could not be run, we did this prior to the open). These would obviously have to be policed by admin, but there are enough F1 and F2 admin to do it on a rota. 2.) Have some sort of help team, where people can be available named members could be avaliable by email, MSN or even teamspeak to help people get things set-up and working we get a lot of feedback that people would like to race but have no idea how or where to start. 3.) More open meetings, look how many drivers raced the F2 open meeting(Quite a few then joined), and that was not publicised anywhere near as well as it could of been. Again this is a try before you buy. 4.) Have a big join here button on the website, its far to difficult to actually work out how to join and pay. 5.) Have a more competitive pricing structure!!

After some poor meetings, I think tonight proved when everyone has there there heads on right we can hav some really good racng. 10/10 tonight loved it

Yea not you counter good to see you out there

Driving tonight was shocking.

I think this is the 4th Sunday in a row it has beeen down

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