lol ive spent the last 3 nites till gone midnight chatting to my new found friend in that english city of BOMBAY after telling me that i need to find the test socket and me telling him its not there he finally told me after 2 hours mine doesnt have one ..... this i knew already !!!!! so there now sending a BT technician to check my lines ..... then the nice indian chap said i may have to pay for this if its not the line , funny how this only happened after the upgrade .... anyway after a little chat and me teaching him some new words !!! i think im getting somewhere , ill let them come in upgrade the wiring then tell them to shove it