Well done to moz on the game making front, you are legendary..... but, as far as the xbox and ps3, I just cant get into them anymore for the racing games.. After racing sims for a while now, the ps3 and xbox racing games just seem like they are made for kids.. Had a go on GRID a while ago, and again the other night.. Just not for me anymore, all that bouncing of stuff and 90 degree corners at top speed, no thanks... I played games for years like TOCA, NASCAR, DESTRUCTION DERBY, NEED FOR SPEED trying to make the best of them but there was always something missing, and Rfactor (mods) has hit the nail on the head .... Guess the age thing has just hit me and my imagination must be dwindling....