thekirker1 Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 I have been asked to post this statement on behalf of Eric Bethune, cowdie scrutineer Having read some of the reports on the net by so called stockcar fans, I feel I should let the truth come to light. During post race scrutineering of the 382 car an engine infringement was found, ie cross drilled cam, although this has no power increase to the engine, it is clearly stated in the rules that this is not allowed. Danny on discovery of this was left gutted as he has entrusted his engine builder although accepting that he would be held responsible. To stop all the gossip about danny being called a cheat ect, I had at the nationals last year carried out a full engine strip and everything was found to be perfectly legal. So come on guys stop knocking the guy when hes down. Eric Bethune Cowdenbeath scrutineer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badura_Racing258 Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Danny didn't, and never did look happy the whole meeting. I won't call him a cheat, but if others want to blacklist the guy, then fine. He used illegal ways to win. Although e didn't know it, it was still used. Ok, we blame the engine builder.....but what has to be brought into light (that he has had an illegal engine..) is how many meetings it's been like that, and what will happen about that? He never put that engine in for Cowdenbeath, did he? I beleive he's always came up and down the business, and been the fastest car on track. Dannyboy knows his stuff, and is a good driver....but surely people labelling him a 'cheat' will drive him to more success. Blame whoever you want, but...at the end of the day, it's down to the driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leasj1 Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 to be honest as much as im delighted purdy has won i dont think dannys cheating incident was delibrate cause to be honest if ur going to cheat your not going to do wit with a cam shaft cause its a certanty the head is coming of at least if u win, at least do it with a gear box or diff or at a push a bottom end. Hard luck to him cause he is a good driver and im sure he will bounce back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendo912 Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 must admit that i dont follow this real life mod but from all reports that i have seen this appears 2 be Danny's 1st infringement of the rules and although he is responsible for the car he drives surely if he didnt build it himself he must entrust others . As a fan of racing i hope that this particular driver does NOT receive a ban as i am sure he is gutted by being stripped of his title anyways and once again from all reports i have read this driver is a decent and popular racer who helps others if and when required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badura_Racing258 Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 I'm sure he got a one month ban? He misses the World Final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcy_Boi#133 Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 Im not a Saloon fan, but in my eyes, if your engine builder does your engine, you shouldn't have to check it to make sure it is legal before you use it, in my eyes it's the engine builders fault, Danny shouldn't have to check whether his engine is legal or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chops660 Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 at least do it with a gear box or diff or at a push a bottom end. 27071[/snapback] sounds like your talking from experience there leaskie??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leasj1 Posted August 20, 2005 Report Share Posted August 20, 2005 chops, remember our little conversation about cheating. our little secret my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMid Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 It all begs the question why ban cross drilled cams if they don't improve performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badura_Racing258 Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Maybe something to do with keeping it standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMid Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 That's the kind of "rules for rules sake" that just make everyone's life a misery. I was hoping there's some slightly unobvious potential benefit to greater cheating using such a cam, or maybe that it makes the job of scrutineering for real cheats that much harder for whatever reason, but I can't see it. You can't run asjustable suspension components on a class 1 autograss mini, either, but if you take the time to ram the offside into something hard enough to shorten that side, you can make it turn right a lot better once you've knocked the panels back out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymek Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 You can't run asjustable suspension components on a class 1 autograss mini, either, but if you take the time to ram the offside into something hard enough to shorten that side, you can make it turn right a lot better once you've knocked the panels back out... 27594[/snapback] Cars are all weighed and measured as well in the 'loons John, so you wont get away with that here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chops660 Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 You can't run asjustable suspension components on a class 1 autograss mini, either, but if you take the time to ram the offside into something hard enough to shorten that side, you can make it turn right a lot better once you've knocked the panels back out... 27594[/snapback] Cars are all weighed and measured as well in the 'loons John, so you wont get away with that here!! 27674[/snapback] Or you just might get away with it until you start winning.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham 775 Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 It all begs the question why ban cross drilled cams if they don't improve performance. 27303[/snapback] It just about sums 2ltr Saloons up for me. The phrase flogging a dead horse springs to mind. The only decent meeting up here in ages and it ends in farce. You're not allowed to x-drill the cam, thus improving lubrication and preventing possible engine damage and thus reducing potential costs, but you are allowed to machine the head as it is "unpolicable" to outlaw it. How it is unpolicable is beyond me. Surely if it is machined other than it was when it left ford's factory then it is beyond the rules I mean no disrespect to the drivers and teams whos effort and expence is unquestionable, but the formula just hasn't got it anymore. 1300s anytime Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMid Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 (edited) I just think that when a stock formula means higher costs than using 3rd party/inexpensive alterations, then the stock rules should be chucked out. Mind, the logical conclusion of that process is the NASCAR Cup car, so maybe there's an argument for holding on to "pure stock" regardless of how much sense it makes. Ideally, you'd have a formula which says "All stock" with an (ever growing) list of specific exceptions. IN THEORY autograss rules work this way- if the rulebook doesn't explicitly say you can do it, then you can't. In theory. So all it takes is: Rule 53 part d- cross drilling of standard profile cams is permitted. Eventually, some bullets have to be bitten- such as (again in autograss) FWD chassis being allowed, modified for RWD into the RWD only class 3, due to ever dwindling supplies of Escorts and Starlets, and the allowance of FWD hatches into Class 2. All it takes is some common sense, as long as someone keeps a tight reign on it, it's not like you'll suddenly end up with highly modified, highly expensive specials. It does me head in. Just glad I don't have to work within it- I just watch it all from the other side of the fence. Edited August 26, 2005 by JohnMid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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